Yep...old timers, methinks. LOL on the butt...CD took my brother-in-law out there one day and was teaching him to cast a launcher, illustrating with an empty hook at the end of the line. Sure enough, WHAM! Hooked a sweet 4-lber on nothing!Im glad yall took that kid out, and screw them bastropian nazis. Ive been on bastrop when I could throw a cigarette butt hooked on a #2 aberdeen on the end of a weighted cork and caught a fish. These fellers must not not know how to use them interwebs much..